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  Millennium Promises

  by Vanderhoven7 in

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  does anyone have wts quotations showing that the great crowd members will only be declared righteous and receive everlasting life at the close of the millennium?.

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  Thus, in summing up, we see that from Pentecost to the present time only those of the “body of Christ” are declared righteous, and that by faith; these will gain actual righteousness in the “first resurrection.” And the rest of the obedient ones of mankind will be declared righteous to life everlasting after meeting the test at the end of the thousand-year reign of Christ.

  https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1954642#h=20
  
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  Millennium Promises

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
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  does anyone have wts quotations showing that the great crowd members will only be declared righteous and receive everlasting life at the close of the millennium?.

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  https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/pc/r1/lp-e/1200026595/18/0

  https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1985883#h=52:0-53:329

  By faith in “the blood of the Lamb,” the “other sheep” are given an approved standing before Jehovah and are thus declared righteous for friendship with him and for survival during the “great tribulation.” They will attain to perfection by the end of the Millennium. After the final test they will be declared righteous for life.

  [Pictures on page 16]

  I think this comes closest. It appears this doctrine was changed around 1985?

  All quotes from later dates have no ifs and buts wrt the other sheep being declared righteous.
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  Dissenting Virologist

  by Wakanda in

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  so here it is on bitchute.. tear away.. https://www.bitchute.com/video/pyd8crtke8xy/.

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  While I'm not really invested in this particular case, it raises an interesting question.

  How would we be able to tell the following apart:

  - A fraudulent conspiracy theorist who spreads dangerous (possibly lethal) misinformation, and whose videos are therefore no longer hosted on YouTube, and who is denounced sincere colleagues and the authorities.

  - A sincere scientist who discover important information that the authorities want to keep hidden, and is therefore set up and gagged.

  Outwardly those situations might be very much alike.

  Now I don't know about you guys, but here's my simple criteria:

  As soon as the words 'Cabal', 'deep state', 'Illuminati', 'Freemasons' and other such generic conspiracy theorist terms are used, I default to concluding it's bullshit.

  That's not because governments never pull (very!) shady shit; they do.

  It's more of an Occam's Razor thing. All things alike, the more simple explanation in such situations is that one single person is off the raills. Involving shadow governments, coverups that include hundreds of thousands people keeping a secret, and shady 'evidence' for whatever claims are made is not the simplest solution.

  In this particular case, what is the more simple solution: all goverments all over the world, and 99.99% of all virologists, MDs etc are in a secret conspiracy? Or this one person is wrong?
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  Dissenting Virologist

  by Wakanda in

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  so here it is on bitchute.. tear away.. https://www.bitchute.com/video/pyd8crtke8xy/.

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  Anders Andersen

  Also interesting reading material: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judy_Mikovits
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  have you heard anything ?

  by lancelink in

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  i was a witness from grade school ( 1976) until 2007. i seem to remember an important aspect that was always talked about at the hall as being a fact.they would say that "the rocks themselves would cry out" if the public preaching work was to stop,,,,, all i've seen and heard these past few months are the witnesses complaining about the witnessing work coming to a halt.but i've not heard one rock crying .. .

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  Anders Andersen

  Well that's because obviously Jehovah's people are still preaching! Their Zoom meetings, and silly handwritten letters, unsolicited phone calls, etc. etc. are all preaching!

  And don't forget their divine website JWdotORG. That's the greatest witness of all. Haven't you heard 'the brothers' invented the internet?
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  8 Documents Arrived Today!

  by Atlantis in

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  2. friends

  1.--authorization and release agreementfor disaster relief medical assistance.

  ------------------------------------------------------------------2.--for the attention of all elders------------------------------------------------------------------.

  3.--additional direction regarding assistance with practical needs------------------------------------------------------------------.

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  Anders Andersen

  Thanks!
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  What do you make of this recent article regarding the United Nations stance towards overriding religions of the world on certain matters?

  by devout_no_more in

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  first of all, this is my first post here on the forums even though i have been registered now for some time.

  i have been faded from the jehovah's witness religion for many years now, but only recently within the past year or so gotten quite serious about it - crisis of conscience by ramond franz really kicked things off for me personally.. anyway, my wife, parents, step-sister and her husband and my half-brother are all still active jw's, so i am still exposed to them, and this is also the reason why i'm still "faded".

  frankly i'd probably just as soon disassociate myself without the threat of being shunned.

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  Anders Andersen

  What you can learn from the article:

  1. The UN have a special rapporteur on religious freedom. Why? Because the UN is defending religious freedoms as it is defending other humans rights. Aiming to defend religious freedom is hardly the same as attacking all religions, is it?
     Fun fact: many times the UN has condemned violence against religious minorities, unfair legal restriction on religious freedom, etc. Recently they done so on behalf of JW in Russia. The UN defends freedom of religion, and doesn't attack it.
     
     
  2. The UN's special rapporteur on religious freedom stated that violent extremism should not be tolerated, not even when the extremists claim it's their religious right to kill those they don't like.
     If stating the obvious - killing people because they don't believe what you believe - is seen as an attack on freedom of religion, the people who think that should perhaps re-calibrate their moral compass.
     He also stated that legal discrimination should be undone, even if the apparent ground for this discrimination are claimed to be religious beliefs.
     
     
  3. The person who wrote this Washington Post article is a donkey, and so are the editors over there.
     They're all concerned about someone saying their right to discriminate isn't absolute. And the donkey fails to realize that his views are only made possible because 1) he enjoys the religious freedom he wants to deny others and 2) he is part of the majority religion where he lives.
     Imagine this person lived in Sharia country; would he still argue that his government has every right to embed in the legal system all things Islam? That punishing him for not going to Friday prayer makes sense?
     I can't believe how short-sighted this donkey is.
     
     
  4. The JW who share this story are donkeys too, because they fail to see that the UN is talking on their behalf too. JW are a minority religion, persecuted in some countries. If the words of the UN rapporteur were followed everywhere, JW would not be persecuted anymore, and would enjoy more freedom.
     The UN actually does the opposite of what JW claim they (will) do.

  Anyway, long story short: the UN condemns violence and discrimination against all, including against the religious. And they say violence and discrimination is still wrong, even when claimed to be based on religious beliefs.

  Does that even sound close to an attack on religion?
  
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  The Motive of the Governing Body

  by jwfacts in

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  2. beliefs

  i have been quiet of late, developing other interests, happy that there are a whole group of people producing great resources.

  however, i found some old emails from ray franz that promoted me to write an article that answers a question i regularly receive.

  it is in regards to the motive of governing body members.

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  Anders Andersen

  @jwfacts,

  There's a typo in the first sentence of the article ;-)

  Btw thank you for your great resource, it has helped me a lot over the years!
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  An emerging new global authority at how it will affect believers

  by Kosonen in

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  2. friends

  good day believing brothers and sisters, .

  i have to inform about latest information concerning the set up of a global authority.

  we have waited un to be empowered.

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  Anders Andersen

  @Kosonen,

  How convinced are you of all this?

  Are you prepared to bet your life and everything you own that you're right on this?
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  Kermit Is Delivering Documents!

  by Atlantis in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  kermit is delivering documents with his kermit chopper.. https://docdro.id/a01tdj0.

  if you are on the receive list these documents are already in your email.. .

  if your not on the list, then reply below that you want kermit to swing by your place, and drop off a copy in your pm box.. .

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  Anders Andersen

  Well he can swim in my pond too. I'll pm you.